Welcome to TheGreatTurningWiki!
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My map of my life may be the best place to learn my life’s history: LionsLifeMap
As for being here, …
Near the end of August, I went to a thing called the StoryfieldConference. I had been invited by TomAtlee, who I knew from a bunch of wiki voyages, such as the WikiSym.
It was through those that I met JohnAbbe, Ethan & Lewis, and then TomAtlee. He invited us to things called “EvolutionarySalons”, and there I met MichaelDowd and started connecting with the EvolutionarySpirituality and sustainability crowds and so on.
As EvolutionarySpirituality started to make it’s way through to me, (displacing my former confusion over SuratShabdaYoga’s reality, and “hey, what do we do about the Earth & injustices in the world?”) this conference came up: the StoryfieldConference.
That really helped me to cement my understanding of the StoryfieldConference, and connected the dots for me about how the OpenSource world and the sustainability worlds can (should, must, will?) connect.
I saw AnodeaJudith & DavidKorten & MichaelDowd all present, and it really pieced things together for me in a powerful way.
A friend of Sherri’s named Mark knew that DavidKorten was seeking technical help. “Oh, I know how to do that!” I connected briefly with DavidKorten, with the promise that we’d investigate further post-conference.
Connect we did. We quickly found out, though, that the open / public way of collaborating that is just natural online, struck DavidKorten as very foreign. We were not able to directly work together. But I (and apparently, several others) still felt that there needed to be an online point of presence for people who are interested in working and thinking openly on TheGreatTurning, on WakingTheGlobalHeart, on BlessedUnrest, and so on.
And so, here am I, and here is this wiki. :)
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Great turning = gt, gt-wiki-hive. For links GtWiki:PageName?. That’s what I used on kabo-wiki-hive / kabo-wiki-hive: wiki-net hive-changes. Sounds ok?
I think they already use “TGT” in their internal list, but I’m sure I’ve also seen “GT” over and over. Let me go check on TheGreatTurningWebsite, or their first TheGreatTurningWiki, …
Right, tgt-wiki, TgtWiki?.
Lion, I hope that you’ll keep me updated on your interest in working these folks, because I came to them by way of you, and they already have me pretty much lined up to give them quite a bit of help, and to do a whole lot of work for free for them, or at very low cost. I don’t mind doing this if you are intending to continue to be involved with them. If you decide that you do not plan on continuing to work with these folks, then I would say I am also not interested.
The reason why is that I cannot really afford to work for free (or virutally for free). But I can team up with others that I enjoy collaborating with (like you, and people from CommunityWiki) because we have built up LinkLanguage SharedMeaning? and trust amongst ourselves, and we have established a pretty functional OpenValueNetwork amongst ourselves.
TheGreatTurning folks seem like really great people, but I don’t feel like I’ve built up the same relationship and reciprocation with them, and I also am concerned that, because DavidKorten appears not to take some of the core concepts we’ve presented to him seriously, that it would take too much time to connect up the networks that we’ve been trying to foster with what the GreatTurning? is trying to do.
I imagined that we might figure out a way to help them, and create some form of middle ground:
That exists as a “Hybrid” social structure.
Space for both lateral and primary connections to exist within a network. I’m willing to try and help you help them create the conditions for this to happen, but if you decide to disconnect, then I am gone, too.
I have difficulty seeing how we can do it, just you and me.
How we can invite a community?
- Call BobLetcher, and ask him to come back.
- WikiNode with the SustainableCommunityActionWiki.
- DavidKorten has said that he can recommend this wiki to people.
If all the people were here, what would I like them to be talking about?
- Sustainability projects.
- Connecting the online and offline world.
- Partnerships and organizations guiding sustainability projects.
- The questions people have, about “What are we doing?” and where they want to go, and how they want to go about doing it.
- The many voices working on these projects- JoannaMacy, DavidKorten, AnodeaJudith, MichaelDowd, and so on, …
- The StorycologyProject (TomAtlee)
Well, yes, that is what I am getting at. There is no way that we can do it, and since DavidKorten is rejecting our approach, maybe we need to move on… ?
But he hasn’t rejected our approach; Rather, he’s said, “We’re not going to do that here at PcdForum. But you can do that, and we’ll give you our support.”
Further, there is a way that we can do it: Call up Bob, form the WikiNode, accept the recommendations of DavidKorten, and so on.
I feel some urgency in finding out what Neva is about, as well.
Regardless: If I do not have the energy to do those three things, and sustain the effort, then it may be that the proper thing to do is to shut down.
If we shut down something with this much energy in it, though, I feel the proper thing to do is some sort of postmortem, “Lessons learned,” and some sense-making of what happened.
This is part of my “reflecting on what has happened here.”
There is the question of, “What does life need, right now?”
Does life need an online point connecting the visions of these different thinkers?
Will things proceed smoothly, without an online presence for this type of thought?
Is there an existing online point for this genre of thought? I looked around, and did not see one, …
Hmm…
The StorycologyProject is the closest thing that really speaks to me.
Perhaps we should park this wiki, waiting for JohnAbbe, TomAtlee, and the StorycologyProject.
Now that’s something that moves my blood.
That’s basically an global network version of what TheGreatTurning folk are trying to do.
Do you mind discussing that idea for a moment?
That idea is cool, and I see your notes at http://storyfieldteam.pbwiki.com/LionKimbro about limitations of PBWiki.
Also, check out Mattismanzel’s new wiki about OpenVoice? http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/OpenVoice/OpenVoice ther might be some ideas in ther worth exploring for StoryField? and StoryCology networks. Like creating a big PBX “cloud” with other tools, etc (that’s not really “in” http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/OpenVoice/OpenVoice yet, but I’ve started posting there about technology like this…)
Hello,
I hope you don’t mind me butting in here but I’ve made a comment on the Great Turning Wiki that I’d like you to see.
http://greatturning.wikispaces.com/Terry_Sullivan
Thanks – Terry Sullivan
Terry, thank you for “butting in.” :)
Sam, TerrySulivan?’s words here, and my interpretation of what DavidKorten wrote to me– that much of the team is enthusiastic about the wiki, has convinced me: This wiki wants to be born.
And, I think we have an easy way to connect with the greater community, through the StoryFieldWiki?, and the SustainableCommunityActionWiki.
We should do this.
BobLetcher here. Lion, I just looked under the “discusion” tab of the Great Turning wiki, and i was surprised (yet pleased) to see there were exchanges. do you think we should move our discussion there?
I need to look at it, first, but my immediate thought is, “no,” as per prior agreements with DavidKorten. I’ll be talking with David today 2:00 PM, and I’m sure the question of wiki will come up. But I need to go see what’s happening on their wiki first. Thank you for the pointer.
BobLetcher here. Lion, with my long-time mentor, Don Michael, i believe very strongly in the significance of questions. I try to live by the admonition Don wrote in his last paper: “Be question-askers all the time, not answer-givers.” In my own view, answers are found in knowledge, but wisdom comes from questions. But what if anything distinguishes the two: questions from answers, answers from questions. It can’t be the punctuation, because we punctuate after we’ve decided which we had in mind.
Stil, i’m motivated to ask because people “google” these days. and that opens the possibility that BOTH are kluged into being similar in the sense that, and to the extent that both are “results”… of a google search. But that is very disccomforting to me. So let me suggest that the difference between questions and answers has more to do with the difference between having somthing occur to you (question) and having something you can “go to bat with” [or more mundanely having something to file] (answer). Questions “occur to you”, but answers can’t do that. Answers, you can more readily “move ahead with”. so there are didfferences, even if you can google for both
We have talked about ThePowerOfQuestions on CommunityWiki. The conversation was begun by myself, noting similarity in thought between the EvolutionarySalons (where I first was directly exposed to questions analysis– “Is our society asking the right questions?) and then RainbowsEnd (which is from the geek world, but paid similar attention to questions.)
There is a website called AntiKnowledge?, that is the most complete model online I’ve found that explicitly recognizes questions as the crucial element in the constructive effort, as the brick of knowledge, and that goes on to communicate a theory of knowledge from that brick.
Geeks are really getting into this. See also the SEAS.
BobLetcher here. Lion, hohw about substituting a pointer on the “Questions” page, to “WhatDoWeDo”, so people can get there following pointers i put elsewher? as a matter of general practice?
Sounds great!
The way it works, is if the page says (at the very beginning:) #REDIRECT SomeOtherPage …then it will redirect to the other page.
See also: Oddmuse:Redirection.
Do you want to try it out?
