kabo-wiki-hive LocalNamesSand: 2008-10-20 Talk

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an easy to read global file system

Mattis Manzel:
Testing imported local names from the kabo-wiki-list

Works, cool.

Btw: To check if it will work when through the cache it’s not sufficient to force a refresh. You have to refresh circumventing the cache. After ~ 3 hours the links will be work without refresh.

Removed from the local names, I fear trouble and a local page name doesn’t make sense locally. Hm.

import of local-names-sand-wiki - local names

import of kabo-wiki-hive - local-names-sand-wiki - local names

later @ irc.freenode #oddmuse

(19:13:27) mattis^: global page names or soup page names - what’s better?
(19:14:33) mattis^: local page names, hive-wide page names and … soup or global?
(19:14:34) TheSheep: domain names
(19:17:24) mattis^: humanity might polulate other planets. Then “global” would be silly.
(19:17:43) mattis^: universal page name?
(19:17:53) mattis^: soup’s shorter
(19:20:25) TheSheep: mattis^: but who’s to control that?
(19:22:54) mattis^: hm. Maybe domain name are important.
(19:24:14) mattis^: socialsynergynet.com - kabo-wiki-hive - sand-wiki-en - sand-box
(19:25:00) mattis^: we could define every web page like that.
(19:27:40) TheSheep: we could call them… Universal Resource Identifiers
(19:27:44) TheSheep: URI for short
(19:27:56) mattis^: ok
(19:28:17) TheSheep: except that maybe we could use “/” instead of “ - “, what do you think?
(19:28:20) mattis^: never got the L and I difference.
(19:28:41) TheSheep: mattis^: URI tells you what it is, URL also tells you where to get it.
(19:29:42) mattis^: no “/” on mac filesystems, The / is not not useable in a local name.
(19:30:03) mattis^: it won’t enter Oddmuse, kensanata said.
(19:30:48) TheSheep: you could also add a protocol in front
(19:31:19) TheSheep: so you know whether it’s the web, twitter, usenet or e-mail
(19:31:36) mattis^: sounds good
(19:31:39) TheSheep: the web URIs could start with http://, for example
(19:31:50) TheSheep: an the e-mail ones with mailto:
(19:33:31) TheSheep: so you could have something like http://sheep.art.pl/misc/sheep.png
(19:36:20) CapnDan?: Wow! That could be a universal code!
(19:36:24) CapnDan?: For locating things!
(19:36:33) CapnDan?: For resources even!
(19:36:51) mattis^: web - sheep.art.pl - miscellaneous - sheep.png
(19:40:47) mattis^: the - is different than the / but it’s very good readable, I think.
(19:41:13) TheSheep: the question is, what’s the difference?
(19:42:43) mattis^: http://sheep.art.pl/misc/sheep.png to web - sheep.art.pl - miscellaneous - sheep.png
(19:43:57) mattis^: even sheep art pl maybe
(19:44:06) mattis^: we’re free
(19:44:17) mattis^: sheer agreement
(19:44:57) mattis^: k, free except for the /
(19:46:31) mattis^: and some more: See http://socialsynergyweb.com/cgi-bin/wiki2/LocalNamesSand/2008-10-06_Talk
(19:55:26) mattis^: if we had a slash only use with spaces: web - sheep art pl / miscellaneous / sheep png
(19:57:13) mattis^: imagine it in the address bar of firefox instead of the URI/URL
(19:57:54) TheSheep: but what’s wrong with URL/URI?
(19:59:08) mattis^: they are unidentifiable tape-worms for grandma Davis and I want granny D. with it.
(19:59:31) mattis^: same for children
(19:59:33) CapnDan .. backs .. slowly … away … from the IRC client
(19:59:35) TheSheep: you think just replacing / with - will solve anything?
(20:00:31) mattis^: replacing . with spaces too. http:// with web, mailto with mail, …
(20:00:39) mattis^: maybe it helps
(20:00:47) mattis^: now that we can
(20:08:13) mattis^: a Russian wiki url would be readable (for Russians)
(20:11:03) *mattis^* is surprised about local names. They make him say things. Strange.
(20:14:58) mattis^: the about.us (that is about us) guys could transfer all their harvest into readable soup names (or global name, dunno yet). (20:16:22) mattis^: web - about us
(20:23:14) mattis^: global names gives more hommage to lion’s local names, soup names is shorter and fits with the rest.
(20:23:52) mattis^: soup.io added a bunch of services to import into soup groups, really many.
(20:24:15) mattis^: hashtags too
(20:24:37) mattis^: aiaiai
(20:25:05) mattis^: we’re getting closer, fasten seat belts, please.
(20:33:47) mattis^: compare the restrictions both systems have, ascii, no spaces to utf-8, spaces
(20:35:05) mattis^: let’s figure out something nice for Granny D. with kensanata and who else might be interested and propose it somewhere.
(20:37:11) mattis^: in books another readability applies than on boxes. I wrote two. Box readability is mind twisted, Granny won’t and she’s right.
(20:39:38) mattis^: This is hard to understand for young geeks probably as they grew up mind twisted.
(20:42:36) mattis^: temporary restrictions of the early net. Connect back to hundred of years old culture of easy to read listings in books.
(20:50:26) mattis^: It’s an act of politeness. actually. It’s: “Granny D., I might be 1337 but I’m still understandable to you.”
(20:52:01) mattis^: a pretty essential act for collab and the hive-mind.
(21:00:25) TheSheep: mattis^: urls can contain any characters, spaces included.
(21:00:32) TheSheep: mattis^: they are just encoded internally.
(21:00:45) TheSheep: mattis^: but web browsers display them as those characters now.
(21:00:48) mattis^: %XX, great.
(21:01:06) mattis^: ah, ok.
(21:01:37) TheSheep: the problem with spaces is that you don’t know anymore where the url ends.
(21:01:39) mattis^: but what an access is this to such an important thing?
(21:02:17) mattis^: thats where “_-_” (space hypen space) jumps in.
(21:03:28) mattis^ hopes to have got you right.
(21:04:52) mattis^: It’s LionKimbro’s late revenge, an easy to read global file system, hihi.